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Post by guest on Jun 23, 2005 0:26:30 GMT -5
Dave D. Lawson Landing will not free up more green space. It will convert public space into private space with heavily regulated public access... Do you really think that a pier is a cool place to play for families. Do you really think that all members of Kelowna will have equal access to this area? get real...
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Post by DuaneT on Jun 23, 2005 2:31:07 GMT -5
Hello guest, where did you get your idea that Lawson Landing will convert public space into private space with heavily regulated public access? Can you please provide proof of that statement?
The City of Kelowna has stated that the newly created area must remain as a public park for all to enjoy. Yes, every single person visiting this site will have equal access to the area. Remember Lawson Landing will be creating a new and larger park for the citizen to enjoy and use for decades to come. No one has ever said that the pier is a place for families to play, but it will be a place for families to come and enjoy the area and maybe even fish from. Every pier picture I have seen has always had young and old fishing from it and enjoying each others company. This is the hope I have that everyone on the pier will see it as a chance to become a community and just enjoy what Kelowna has to offer.
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Post by Matt Phillips on Jun 23, 2005 13:17:05 GMT -5
the extended beach and multi-leveled walkway will also provide families with more enjoyment.
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Post by Mathos on Jun 23, 2005 13:54:26 GMT -5
where did you get your idea that Lawson Landing will convert public space into private space with heavily regulated public access? Can you please provide proof of that statement? Can you provide proof stating otherwise? Milroy will say anything to get this development off the ground. Sure it might be open to the public, but whether the public will feel like they belong there is another question. There are gonna be some pretty rich people living in Lawson Landing. You think they won't mind having their plazas and walkways as a public ammenity? And excuse me if I'm wrong, but didn't you once say that there weren't any fish in that area. I thought you said that all the gravel that will have to be dumped into the lake to satisfy lawson landings plan wouldn't harm fish. But now you say it will be some fish habitat? Lol, Matt, you sound like a walking advertisement.
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Post by DuaneT on Jun 23, 2005 15:24:20 GMT -5
The city has bylaws and policies in place to make sure the lakeshore is available to the public. Any one wishing to develop along the lakeshore must follow them. The best example would be The Grand. Do you feel you belong when you walk along the boardwalk or do you feel out of place? Of course Lawson Landing will make the public will feel welcome, if you have been paying attention to the development proposal you will see that it is a mixed use development which means that it will have a mix of commercial and residential units. By the way have you ever heard of a commercial development being closed to the public? One of the buildings will even be a four –five star hotel. Will there be some rich people living there, probably so. But come on; be sensible, if rich people want to be away from the general public, do you think they will actually be buying a place within the confines of Lawson Landing. Anyone buying there will know that there is a public park below them, and a commercial component on the bottom floor of their building.
At this time there is very limited fish (carp) in the area. That is due to the construction of the old ferry docks at the end of Queensway. When the docks were built, the Provincial government just dumped land fill into the area without doing an environmental impact study. As a result the lakeshore and water flow were changed resulting in damage to the area. Now any work being done on a lakeshore has to be approved by the Provincial government and an environmental impact study must be done. In the case of Lawson Landing any work being done will have to follow the strict rules set forth by the province, also as a result Lawson Landing will by actually repairing the damage done by the provincial government by building a new lakeshore and returning the proper water flow to the area. This will increase natural habitat along the lakeshore. If you remember the same thing happened when The Grand was built and the city had to receive permission to place land fill into the lake to build waterfront park and tugboat beach. As a result they actually improved the area and water flow and I don’t know about you but I have seen an increase of habitat in the area.
Do you have any complaints about that area? Because when Lawson Landing is finally constructed it will be just as beautiful as The Grand area and Waterfront Park.
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Post by guest on Jun 24, 2005 1:02:16 GMT -5
I will argue that there is hardly any public space left in Kelowna. All the "public" spaces are under heavy regulation. For example, parks cannot be used from 11pm to 6am. Or something like that. If you are downtown and look disjointed the patrollers will harrass you. The conduct as to what is allowed and what is not allowed in parks and other public areas is also regulated. If you are perceived to not fit in, then all measures are taken to keep you out! The best example in Kelowna can be found in the Leon Ave area where all the undesirables are pushed to. There will be plenty of private security to tell the "public" where to go, what to do and how to behave. If you truly believe that Lawson Landing will be open to all the public then you are naive!
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Post by DuaneT on Jun 24, 2005 1:37:56 GMT -5
I don’t know how long you have lived in Kelowna, but the parks and beaches have always been closed between 11pm and 6am due to a city bylaw. Lawson Landing will have no control over that and will have to follow the city’s bylaws. I am hoping though that Lawson Landing will be able to follow The Grand’s example. You are able to walk along the boardwalk in front of the hotel but you are not able to legally enter the park after 11. With the new boardwalk being built in front of Lawson Landing, I hope the city will allow people the opportunity to walk along that area at any time. Plus with the idea of extending the boardwalk along Jim Stuart Park and in front of the yacht club, there will be a nice area for people to enjoy hopefully later then 11pm. Honestly I have always hated the idea of the parks and beaches being closed at 11pm, many times I have wanted to walk along the boardwalk at waterfront park and in city park or even go for a midnight swim and enjoy one of the very warm nights that sometimes occur here in the summer, and your right, the security guards do have a really big chip on their shoulders when patrolling this area. I have never liked being ordered to get out of a park when all you are doing is walking with someone. I have always wondered why the parks downtown could not be closed at 1 am when most restaurants are closed and that is when most people go home. I can understand closing the small parks that are all along Abbott st, as noisy people have in the past disturbed the residences that live there. Also go back one page and you will be able to read all the available parks that are here in Kelowna. Thanks to Dave D who supplied the list.
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Post by KrishThat on Jun 24, 2005 9:26:22 GMT -5
That list sure makes it look like Kelowna has a lot more park space that it really does. Notice that many of the "parks" had an area of 0.1 hectares. Hardly a park! More like a patch of grass. In fact Kelowna is comparable to Regina, Sask. for parkspace per capita in Canada (pretty mediocre) and way behind Vancouver and Victoria.
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Post by Conner on Oct 17, 2005 8:15:12 GMT -5
Wecurrently live in Wpg where the taxes are over 2x the level they are in Kelowna.We visit Kelowna every year,and find the prices relatively high,but the extreme property taxes/heating bills/income taxes we pay more than offset the "high" prices in Kelowna...and by the way,they housing prices are high,mainly because so many want to move to your all round fantastic city!!!
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